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Brotherly Manlove by Winchesters (23) - Manlove by the Family Winchester
Other things may change us, but we start and end with the family.
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Brotherly Manlove by Winchesters (23)
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sargraf From: sargraf Date: December 8th, 2006 01:29 am (UTC) (Link)
Thank you so much! (And by now, I'm a broken record, but I'm really sorry that my reply is so late.)

About John: I don't love him. I went through a hate period, but right now, I'm neither passionately for or against. Given characterization issues (as opposed to mere lack of equal screen time), he's not as real a character to me as the brothers are, so I find it difficult to discuss him now without getting into how the writers, actor, etc., have built him.

That said, I get what you're saying. And I'm not trying to present Dean as the epitome of truth-telling, not at all. He clearly lies all the time, and he lies about facts such as what they do for a living. I think it's probable that he would lie to John for Sam's sake in one of the scenarios you mention, like an elder brother (or mother figure) might.

I just found it interesting that he did not tell John, Dean's ultimate mentor of all things supernatural (not to mention Demon-related), about Sam's supernatural powers. He never even called to say, "Hey, Dad, Sam's having visions and it freaks out both of us." He safeguarded Sam's tremendous secret from absolutely everyone else, up to and including John, and I assume it was because of his protectiveness. That's how it felt to me, but that's a subjective view.

(...I can see him keeping this current secret from Sam, if the nature of the secret makes it believable, but if it's one of the popular variations, I'm going to have a hard time believing that Dean would keep it from him. Plot contrivance might bolster characterization, or it might abuse it. We'll see.)
aizjanika From: aizjanika Date: December 8th, 2006 03:53 am (UTC) (Link)
I think I meant to agree with you. *g* I think that Dean was protective of Sam--even with John. That was my convoluted point. hehe

He never even called to say, "Hey, Dad, Sam's having visions and it freaks out both of us." He safeguarded Sam's tremendous secret from absolutely everyone else, up to and including John, and I assume it was because of his protectiveness. That's how it felt to me, but that's a subjective view.

Yeah, but I tend to agree. It's interesting. I'm not sure if that was so much a conscious choice so much as maybe a subconscious choice. If John had been there and been available, he might have told him, but maybe not. He didn't tell him in Bloodlust either. OTOH, maybe it was more his inability to deal with it and find out what it might mean.
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